91 thoughts on “Paul Schrader: Candidate for Sheriff Paul Schrader/ San Bernardino County will be speaking at the Cocky Bull tonight at 6:00P.M.”

1. Excuse me Paul, but you are not “Sheriff Paul Schrader” or “Sheriff Schrader”. You may be a deputy sheriff with LASO in some unknown capacity/assignment but that does not entitle you to use the title of Sheriff. Show some class and stop misrepresenting yourself.

2. I like this guy as he goes out there and meets the public.

3. no hoops, no schrader since he’s a poser…those of you in the know, what’s wrong with averbeck……

4. Nothing is wrong with Averbeck just no Hoops.

5. Mr. Schrader is your ego so strong that it only allows you to respond to positive postings? When faced with negative situations is it your reflex to always ignore it? You need courage to be a leader. I have concluded based on your actions, passing my information to Ken Holtz,deleting my postings and failing to reply to my requests, that you have no courage. Just my two cents.

6. but if schrader is the only 2nd amendment supporter, then i’m voting for him…

7. is he a deputy sheriff or not…..

8. Phulakes I not sure who you are supporting but Hoops does not answer questions either. The POST issue and Beavers issue have been around for several months and still no answers and no action.

   The POST issue went to the District Attorneys Office approximately 6 weeks ago according to Cindy Beavers. Still no word on what they are doing nor will they reveal who was involved.

   Beavers is another story altogether. You know as many do they have always had the evidence to file against him. But you also know like many why they refuse to file.

   The Executive Staff including Hoops is aware of both of these issues and are doing nothing or as little as possible to close there issues.

   So where is your support. If there is a run off between Schrader and Hoops my vote would be for Schrader to hopefully correct these problems. If he doesn’t then he is gone in 4 years also. But you already see what the current staff is going to do if elected again.

9. Phulakes, here is a thought, maybe Schrader will respond to your emails when your boss decides to debate Averbeck and Schrader in a public forum.

   Your boss seems to be avoiding a much broader spectrum of corruption and simply dismisses a public debate because the other candidates have no money.

   Seems your bosses logic at least according to his campaign spokeshole David Ellis, that neither Averbeck or Schrader are worthy of debate.

   Talk about an ego, or would that just be displaying an elitist attitude?

   SO let’s make sure we let everyone know your concerns and I will let everyone else know the BIGGER picture out there.

   It would also appear your boss has no courage or leadership and should be equally reported to our readers.

   I do believe a much bigger picture that your boss has failed to explain to the public is the POST scandal.The Beavers issue, the 9 month old child murdered by his father. I can go on but not really needed at this time.

   Far more compelling than Schrader answering your emails or asking me if I know you.

   He too is refusing to answer specific questions about criminal matters which are far more important than trying to find out if a candidate is the driver or security assigned to the Undersheriff of LASO.

   So you keep punking Schrader and I’ll keep punking your boss until election day.

   Wanna bet me I come up with more dirt on your boss before then??

   Remember I have a seniors discount at Denny’s you don’t.

   su colvin, Schrader is a deputy sheriff for LASO and is a strong 2nd amendmant supporter. Hoops and Averbeck have made no public comment in the posative about 2nd amendmant issues.

10. A case was delivered and now we wait for review by the DA’s Office. I doubt they will let the case wither away, but that is the DA’s decision. Now we wait.
    My vote is with Hoops. He is the only canidate with experience. I do not know the time line with the Beavers case, but I am sure it was before he took office. Schrader is a lackey assigned to the Undersheriff’s Office, dong what he only knows. It must not be flattering because he does not want to share with others.

11. Kenny I meant SIzzler, but if Schrader responds I will take you to Steer and Stein! Ken I like you. You are a courageous individual, you don’t back down. But your choice for sheriff is one-of-them golden boys assigned to a privileged spot. How is he the answer for you. I assume that is what you despise the most, someone who didn’t earn his position. I have a friends at LASO. One wouldn’t respond to my request and the other did but asked to remain anonymous for fear of being “sent up north.” Something special for LASO deps that buck the system. How is that better? “Hey county resident/voter I will reply to your curiosties when your sheriff debates me” Wow! Ken he can pin this and show me to be the fool but he won’t. Heck I will buy you dinner even if Schrader doesn’t reply.

12. Phulakes, are you really going to say that with a stright face. The case was handed over to the DA’s office. ( same DA that endorses him and vice verca ?) Any bets on that steak dinner that there is no way Mikey will make some movement on that case till after the election. (if ever) Also as you said “My vote is with Hoops. He is the only canidate with experience.” Look what that experirnce has got us so far with all the corruption that is going. Granted you can say all the stories are from pissed off employees but that doesn’t mean they are not true.

13. then he should have used LASO logo to avoid all this logo chatter….

14. Phulakes, just because the DA has the case does not mean Hoops is out of the woods on the POST scandal.

    YES we know it’s the DA’s decision, and of course you probably don’t believe Hoops and Ramos are such good pals, Ramos would NEVER do Hoops a favor either.

    Especially since both of them are under fire during an election year.

    Just go look at your bosses 460 forms and see how much Mikey has poured into Hoops campaign.NO WAY they would share the same banana at lunch.

    Oh, I also forgot about the incident in Yucaipa with Ramos and the Deputies and how Hoops is covering that one up.

    YES we will wait a VERY long time and hopefully many will forget. JUST like your boss and his pal Ramos would like. I understand partners do that.

    YOU haven’t ever seen such delays like that have you Phulakes? Delays designed to allow some to forget, or reports written badly so they won’t get filed?

    I know you would not want to tell me I have NEVER seen that in my day.

    With all do respect to you, the difference between me and you is I went out of my way to find out about that stuff where you probably didn’t care either way.

    Hoops only responded to the paper and gave a very bland explanation to a VERY big cover-up because Averbeck started screaming.

    And all your boss has said since then is it is being handled. WOW!!! really looks like your boss is being forthcoming. I know Deputies who have been fired for less.

    Why didn’t we get a dog and pony show with the media like they did with Ivory? OH, I forgot he was just a deputy.

    Ok if you think Hoops didn’t know about the Beavers issue because he wasn’t the Sheriff at the time OKAY, I got some swamp land in my back yard for cheap.

    Dude I am not asking you questions seeking the answer, I know the answer to my questions already.

    And I am very relaxed and FOCUSED!!

15. su colvin, like a fellow blogger said, the logo use is a none issue except for a few believing it is.

    My vote is for Schrader. YOU GOT no dirt on him and he is not connected to this county.

    Common sense is all he needs to deal with most of this non-sense. I have talked with him and he can roll with it.

    I WANT a clean candidate FIRST and foremost not beholding to Ramos the BOS or any former Executive Staff member or past Sheriff.

16. Phulakes you must remember that Hoops was the assistant sheriff during the Beavers incident. He was aware of this incident and the outcome. He had a say in it. He also had a vested interest in it.

    The Executive Staff meets and discuss’s these issues so that they all know what is going on in the department.

    Penrod knew he was leaving and Hoops was taking over and that is another reason why Hoops had all of the knowledge required to make a decision.

    If you follow disciplines in the department you know as well as anyone else that they are not fair and equal. Now you want to tell me that Hoops has nothing to do about them also.

    All the employees ask for is a fair shake and equal treatment. Not very many people go out there and mess up on purpose. But everyone can and does mess up from time to time. If you find youtrself in that boat wouldn’t you want to be treated equal.

    I would have to put it to you this way. If you committed a spousal abuse and they covered it up then you have no business handing out disciplines for lesser offenses. And I bet you will say that Hoops did not know this before this individual was promoted to Deputy Chief.

17. Kenny everything you profess is 100% Gospel? You were involved in INV or have reliable CIs? I’m not biting on gossip. My point for posting on the Sauternes was to find out his work history. Still no reply. And an outsider with connections in high places is OK with you as long as he is an outsider? I’m not here to change minds just get the truth. Bout Pauline.

18. Hoops knows damn good and well about Beavers and every other skeleton in the closet for the last 32 years.

    Phulakes, your boss knew he was going to be the next appointed Sheriff a long time before he was. At least a couple years before he was.

19. So many of the comments on this sight seem to be birthed by miserable bitter people who always want to play the victim card. The sad part is that you “former” deputies know you are misleading many of the non department readers of this blog. You know good and well much of what you call corruption is nothing of the sort. The employees who were engaged in misconduct have been disciplined and that discipline can not be disclosed to the public. You know that is the law. And that law has help to keep the reputation of ACU hidden from the readers as well. If the readers knew of ACU’s long and well documented misconduct incidents they would pay him now mind. In fact they would think the department was corrupt for not firing him sooner.

    As the good book says you should not be looking for the splinter in someone else’s eye when you have a log in your own. I find it ironic that ACU believes that the DA’s office is too corrupt to make an honest decision on the POST or Beavers investigation, but ACU had no problem with the DA’s office when they did not file on him for shooting a man dead for throwing a bike at him. Many in the public would think that was corruption and a cover up.

    As for me I will vote for Hoops. Not because he is perfect. Not because he has always made the right call. We have all violated some policy at some time. No one is perfect not even ACU. I think Hoops has some problems. One of them is that he promotes his friends even when they are clearly not qualified or just flat out lazy. Mesa, Smith, Plumundon, and soon Brownell and Hunt. Mesa has spent years golfing every Friday and never marked his time sheet as taking a vacation day. He is so blatant about using the county for his own benefit he drives around in his county captain car with a child seat in the back. To him it is his family’s car.

    I can live with small problems like that. I can not live with someone who has no loyalty to our department and no leadership skills whatsoever. The other two will run our department into the ground. I don’t want that.

20. Senor Blogger I only heard the rumors of the case you cite. If I am thinking of the right one, and if it is that case it was over 15 years ago?

21. ACU until the criminal case drops and there is a verdict, everything else is a matter of employee discipline and subject to confidentiality laws. Like I said before I am not biting on gossip and inuendo. It is one thing to spout off untruths while hiding behind an “anonymous” avatar, it is quite different to put an identity to the avatar. You sir I commend becaus you do not hide your identity. But, it is very clear to me you have an axe to grind with the department. Our we on par with OCSD and Caronna? If so where are the Feds and the criminal indictiments?

22. Well Taylor you are contradicting yourself. You say you can not live with someone with no leadership skils whatsoever. Yet you can live with promotions to Mesa, Smith, Plumundon and soon Brownell and Hunt? How about Cochran can you live with that one too?

    Take the POST incident. When is the last time that you heard of someone on the Department involved in theft and still have a job? Sure the Captain retired but his wife is still working correct.

    Years ago a Captain in Fontana was givng away evidence to his friends. If my memory and sources service me right he was fired and a case was completed and sent to the DA’s office and they filed charges. And may I add it didn’t take 9 months to make a decision.

    When people like Mesa play golf on county time and use there county issued credit card to put gas in there county vehicle and use that vehicle like a family car is that theft?

    When you work for a primer department you don’t tolerate small problems like overlooking theft and promoting un-gualified people.

    I am more than sure that those two deputies that went to the party in Mentone that Ramos was at were very loyal to the department. And when they left there with there tails tucked between there legs how do you think they felt. They have a recording that was played for the watch commander that evening and he must of felt that his deputies were disrepected because he did a memo and sent it downtown with the tape. And look at the outcome of that incident.

    So you see this is not about a bunch of miserable bitter people who always want to play the victim card. This is about a bunch of miserable people that are tired of the way things are being ran and overlooked for some and not for others. This is about people who want eveyone treated the same way no matter what they do right or wrong. This is about honesty and truth.

    If you can live with more un-gualified people being promoted and you find yourself working for those same people then more power to you. You have to vote as your heart and mind tells you to do. But when you find yourself victimized by that non qualified person please remember that you did have a choice to make at one time.

23. Taylor if you think that well documented past as you elude to is something that will bring down my integrity and character YOU just go ahead and say whatever you think you can prove.

    I got the paper to prove othewise.

    YOU think your sharp enough to put me in my place with your experience and knowledge, go for it.

    I have had the honor and privledge of going up against a few with far more experience than YOU will ever have, and done just fine in holding my own.

    Now if it’s my temperment you think that will bring me down in flames, I suggest you look at other areas that suggest othewise before you get stupid.

    Someone tried that a couple weeks ago and did not do too well when it was said and done.That person forgot to look at other pieces of evidence, evidence that you are not in possession of.

    If you say otherwise, I suggest you look at a few of the cases of temperment and violence of others and how the department dealt with that before you open mouth and insert foot.

    I will direct your attention to the the Rick Roelle and Joe Catalano cases for starters.

    Now you go ahead and do whatever you think you can accomplish there big fella.

    Semper Fi……

24. Phu, you never heard the words 100% gospal out of my mouth.

    I am not asking you to bite on anything. But I will submit if you have been with the department as long as you have you should have seen at least half of these types of scenarios in your day.

    Gossip, well if it is gossip, it was created up high and it filtered down to the troops.

    Wish I could tell you who rated my information at 90% accurate, but I can’t. I only rated it at 75%. That’s all I believe I need.

    One with average intelligence only needs 51% accuracy to draw a conclusion if what is being said in here happened or not.

    All one has to do is look at what has happened and how it was handled to make a decision.

    Since you mention the word gossip.

    Well let’s look at that.

    Hoops and a few others think this place is loaded with disgruntled people who spew lies and baseless rumor. OKAY!!

    There has been multiple opportunities to try and prove this place is nothing but gossip and rumor, thus far no one has scored any serious points except a few loyal employees with their opinions on all this.

    If the Yucaipa incident never happened as alledged here, it was the perfect opportunity for Hoops to set the facts straight long before it reached this point.

    As soon as this case developed into a criminal matter Hoops could have called a news conference, NOT mention anyone by name and tell the public what happened and a criminal case had been conducted and the case would be sent to the DA. END of story!

    Just like city officials did with Chief Leech in Riverside.

    When the story broke here, it again would have been an excellent opportunity for Hoops to come forward and say the samething and even showed trusted news sources everything was above board.

    Hoops chose to allow these baseless rumors and gossip to run for many months. ONLY when Averbeck goes to the papers and yells foul does Hoops respond.

    What an excellent opportunity the Sheriff had to show the world iepolitics is nothing but a rumor mongoring place. If timing was an issue, I suggest it was VERY poor timing.

    I suggest he has lost that opportunity.

    Let’s take Beavers. It was the Sheriff’s Department that did a press release on Beavers saying he had been put on admin leave and nothing more. This was in the Daily Press up here.

    Why would anyone put something like that in the paper and then have all this baseless gossip to unfold and never even mention that the case was rejected for lack of evidence or the case turned over to the Feds?

    I know why and so do many others.

    Do all of you remember when that guy shot that Deputy down in San Bernardino back in 2002 I think it was?

    The suspect was taken back to an interview room at Central station, then pulled out a gun in the interview room and shot himself?

    Well at some point shortly after the incident the rumors started flying, the cops shot the guy, Penrod got a hold of a few trusted media reporters, I think Bob Banfield of ABC news was one of them.

    Penrod asked them not to release the actual camera footage of what took place in the interview room, but did show them the entire footage to dispell rumors the cops shot the guy.

    That was a SMART thing for Penrod to do and the rumors stopped when the facts were made known to the public.

    Just like when I arrested Bob Dutton for DUI back in 1992, once certain folks determined there was no basis to reject the report, and YES many looked hard for a legal reason to do so, someone decided to start talking smack about me. YES let’s attack the cop.

    When that crap started, I simply handed over the audio tape I had made that covered the entire car stop and my conduct was nothing but above board.

    That approach of attacking me went away VERY quickly.

    So if I know how to cover my tracks, I suggest Sheriff Hoops does too.

    He failed to do so with his vast experience and education and is now taking hits for it.

    Not my fault, it is his. He should know how to play the game far better than anyone else.

25. Phu, on par with OCSD, maybe.

    I will say wait until after elections on the issues with the Feds. That’s all I’ll say on that.

    An ax to grind, OKAY. Think I am lying about all this, I’ll get onto a polygraph any day, will your boss??

26. Phu you are wrong on the criminal case. NOT subject to confidentiality laws.

    Admin and criminal are two seperate animals.

    If you think so I suggest you look at the Matthew Linderman/Ivory Webb/Heverly case and how that reached the press.

    YOU can still mention the suspect by name even when submitting the case to DA for review.

    You see that all the time.

    To talk about the facts in the administrative investigation would be a privacy issue and subject to confidentiality laws. NOT the other.

    Have you figured out yet why so many cases are handled internally versus criminally?

    NO crime or civil tort for Hoops to say Captain Bart Gray is a suspect in a grand theft of public funds and the case has been submitted to the DA for review and possible prosecution.

    And of course if Gray would have been arrested and booked like a few others we have seen in the last couple years, that too would show tranperancy at first glance.

    Please tell me I don’t need a crayon to draw this out for you?

27. Senor Blogger I have made no contradiction in my argument. It is very simple. Our department is not perfect and there is politics and favoritism just like any department even in “premier departments”. That is just a fact of life whether you are in law enforcement or a garbage collector. Politics play a part. We are stuck with it. It is human nature. It is not corruption it is favoritism based on friendships. I am not afraid of telling the truth about this fact.

    And again as is typical of you guys you want to make Mesa’s golf trips to be a criminal matter when you know it is not. The management guys are salary and they don’t have to stay 10 or 12 hours at work a day like we do. That is in the MOU, so he is not committing a crime. Next you are going to tell me he is stealing food from the buffet. It does appear there is much evidence of that but we will leave that alone.

    My point is you try to equate politics or a violation of policy to corruption or a criminal matter. You know that is misleading and wrong. Name for me one “premier department” where politics is not a factor. You can not.

    ACU as always you refuse to address directly the main flaws of your pick for sheriff. Your guy works for one of the worst sheriff’s department in the nation and he can’t even promote past the rank of deputy with over 30 years of service. On that department after 30 years Averbeck would be a deputy chief. Your guy wants us to drive around and bring food and blankets to the homeless. I am a deputy not a social worker.

    ACU as with last time we went at it you guys love to brush over when you are wrong but hammer the point home when someone else is wrong. None of you have ever apologized for the mostly false “Mexican Mafia” story. You guys have such a deep hatred of the department you will say or do anything to try to discredit it. Now that is corruption.

    Hoops is far from perfect but so are we all. Hoops is honest and wants to continue to improve our department. He does not need the job he could retire tomorrow and get his full salary. He is running because he wants to do right by the department. The other guys will loose in a landslide and you know it. Hoops will be the next sheriff and that is as it should be. He is a good man.

28. Ok Taylor I apologize for talking about the Mexican Mafia guys. Sincerely. Plenty of other cases or situations to discuss.

    Hoops my very well win by a landslide. We won’t know until June 9th.

    Again your comment about the deep hatred for the department is your opinion. I have been specific on my issues whether you agree with them or not.

    What is interesting is what I hear about you during SEBA meetings. Seems you are quite vocal on your own issues too. But that is your right and you do what you believe in as I do.

    Have a good weekend.

29. Taylor I am still confused. If Mesa is doing right by golfing on Fridays and not taking a vacation day according to you, then why bring it up. If it is okay then done mention it. And as far as saying what Mesa is doing is a crime I was asking you if it was. Only because I am confused as to what you are referring to.

30. You guys are missing some huge points about the POST issue. The first is that according to Hoops himself, a Captain retired and paid back some of the money which we know is Gray and 3 other employees were disciplined. The discipline issue was with the 3 employees which were 2 secretaries at North and the Deputy that caused the original issue. Their discipline was handed out months ago. The Captain was never disciplined and since he paid the money back there is no reason to not release his name. It is not a personnel issue because he no longer works for us. The cloud surrounds the other involved employees or retired people. We have heard rumor of a retired Deputy Chief, multiple Captains and Lieutenants and somehow the Captain and Lieutenant who were in charge of training at the time suddenly retired as soon as this broke. Charbi and Taylor, since you are cops, do these clues amount to a simple mistake or a massive cover up of numerous high ranking employees? What if I told you that I know for a fact that someone in the Executive Staff was on a list for a class that he or she didn’t attend? Would it be proper for the Executive Staff to investigate themselves? These are the corruption issues that folks are pointing to. Now Hoops may not be directly involved and I will give you that but let’s say for a moment that the DOJ or the feds came in and started handing out indictments. How would that make our premiere Dept look? We already have folks saying that it reminds them of Carona. Do you guys really want that for us? Do you think this will change if Hoops is elected? There is a reason tha Averbeck got nearly 40 percent of the SEBA endorsement vote, because people in the Dept are tired of the “politics” as you say that is ruining our once premiere Dept. Schrader may not be the most qualified and Averbeck either but Hoops is certainly not showing us that experience is doing any good except to drive our Dept into the ground. My Family at SBSD deserves better than this shot to the gut.

31. What act
    s have been committed by an executive or member of my department that rival Caronna? At best the POST issue would be a mishandling of a personnel matter. Show me Caronna level shenanigans.

32. Carona was convicted of witness tampering. Go ask the whistleblower at North if she has received some form of witness tampering like harassing phone calls or anything like that. Go ask Mrs Gray if she was told to keep her mouth shut. Ask the other secretary at north who was written up if she feels like she was intimidated. Ask the now SCS if she felt compelled to take the discipline and be quiet about it. These are not issues that amount to one little mistake, they are mob tactics and our Dept is allowing it to go on.

33. Carona was convicted of witness tampering. But that was not the only issue in the testimoney in his case.

    Special Deputy badges, sex with many women. Money from friends you name it, it was discussed at some point in the trial. Just like here in SB County

    This moron was dumb enough to bring not only his wife, but his mistress to the court house with him.

    Forrest Gump would be smarter than that. Corona really believed he had DONE nothing wrong.

    The audio tapes of his conversation with Hydle reek of arrogance and I am an elitist, more worthy than the common citizen.

    Yes Phulakes, more than a few issues to compare between counties.

    Isn’t it interesting that 30 days or so after Penrod’s testimoney in the Carona case, Gary decided to retire?

    Remember Penrod said it’s no big deal to give out Special Deputy badges to those who contribute to a campaign?

    And of course a few months after that Hoops decides to pull the special deputy’s badges based solely on the Attorney General’s opinion of 2007.

    It only took Hoops 2 years to make that brilliant determination. YES I know he is not perfect, but Hoops is damn sure slower than most.

    Now lets talk about Lieutenant Bill Hunt who ran against Mike Carona.

    Hunt made it very clear he wanted to be Sheriff because Mike Carona was a corrupt Sheriff.

    Well Bill Hunt was retaliated against for his comments after Mike Carona won re-election.

    A friend of mine and a Chief of Police in Orange County had lunch with Carona after he won re-election.

    My buddy told Carona that since he won re-election to simply leave Hunt alone. Carona said no way he was going to bury Hunt and he continued on.

    Well Carona was indicted shortly after that and Hunt filed a lawsuit for retaliation.

    Phulakes did you know that the law firm of Silver,Hadden & Silver is or was representing Lt.Hunt in his lawsuit for 1st Amendmant retaliation?

    The same law firm who tells SBSD deputies it is not a good idea to sue other cops?

    So yes Phulakes I see more than a couple similiar issues between Carona and SBSD.

    But I must also add that last thing I heard about this case is the 9th Circuit Court set aside Carona’s conviction because Hydle was wearing a wire for the Fed’s while Carona was being represented by an attorney.

    Something about Hydle being an agent for the goverment.

    Anyone know anything more on this issue, please chime in.

    At best the POST issue was mishandled on a personnel matter. I DO NOT think so.

    Phu, I will be honest, you have A LOT to learn before you decide to come into a public forum and debate many issues.

    Believe it or not, I’d tell you if you had some serious potential, you DO NOT at this time.

    Maybe when you reach 55 and have a few more combat ribbons under you belt.

    YOU do not have enough scares on your butt to run with the big boys just yet. WITH all due respect.

    And are we forgetting our beloved former Sheriff Gary Penrod testified that giving out Special Deputy badges was no big deal in his opinion for those who contribute money to his campaign??

34. Sarge rumors and suppostion do not make a case. You worked at CAC and probably dealt with cases based on rumor and suposition. It’s the cases based on hard cold facts/evidence that go forward. We are outsiders looking in on the POST case. Three were directly affected. One retired and two were demoted. Anyone is rumor and supposition. How do you discipline a retired employee. Sorry nutz just a formality but were going impose 10 days disicipline on your pension…Sarge does that make sense?As to people taking classes or given credit for not taking classes, apparently the rumor is that it has been a prior bad business practice to “fluff” the roster so classes short on students could forward. I have no hard facts or proof to substaniate the rumor, so it stays a rumor. The sole criminal act is signing the application for a POST certificate, “I attest that the foregoing is true and correct…upon penalty of perjury.” The former captain retired because he was maxed out being a 33 year employee and the LT was a 32 year employee.

35. NO NO Phulakes your dead wrong, Gray was told to retire long before anyone was disciplined and a DR was ever drawn on this case.

    IN fact Gray went on vacation pending retirement, when the scandal was brought out.

    Bill Zehms another suspect went on 4850 when this scandal broke loose. As things heated up, he came to the station turned his gear in and left.Retired.

    Like I have said they should have been arrested and booked just like Erwin/Postmus.

    WE sure would not be having these discussions if they had been.

36. Phulakes did these involved employees lie in any way or commit any form of theft or other criminal activity?

    A deputy did something while on duty. He was asked by his watch commander if it had done it and he replied that he did not know what the Sgt was talking about. He went home that evening and discussed it with his wife and came to work the next day and talked to his Lt and told him that he had done what the Sgt inguired about and was afraid to tell him the truth.

    The issue involved did not include any theft or criminal activity just something very stupid and minor that may have gotten him a write up.

    The station openned up a case with internal affairs because the deputy lied when questioned by the Sgt. Final disposition, board of chiefs fired the deputy for lying.

    I understand that Gray could not be disciplined because they allowed him to retire. That was the intent, let him retire and this issue goes away.

    Mrs Gray was involved as was the other deputy. Did they lie? Was Captain Grays paycheck more than it should have been and was Mrs. Gray”s involvement in this issue the same as Captain Gray’s? Did Mrs Gray benefit from the raise in Captain Grays salary? If you answer “Yes” to any of these questions then why were they demoted and not terminated as was the deputy who did not tell his Sgt what he had done when questioned.

    Now I know that the department will tell everyone that it was a personnel issue and they can not discuss it but get serious. They were retained in the county’s employment because they were told to shut up, bottom line.

    When you are faced with receiving a paycheck every two weeks or not you will most likely chooce the paycheck.

    There is no doubt that sometimes classes were fluffed. Names put on rosters that were not in the class. But did John Smith or John Doe know there names was placed on the roster and did they benefit from that “Fluff”?

    Do you think that the last four sheriff’s have retired prior to the end of there term and handed the title down to another member of there choice by design. This way that person can run as “Sheriff”. This is done so that all of those dark secrets do not come out like prior deputy cheifs selling there personnel vehicles to the sheriff’s department because they could not get what they thought the vehicle was worth. Heck I’m sure you would like to do the same thing so go to Al Daniels tomorrow and see what he will do for you.

37. Sgt makes two excellent points.

    Retaliation for DOING lawful acts seems to be the norm in the Sheriff’s Department and other County Departments. Guess it depends on who you are and what you did.

    So Phu ever heard any rumors about me being fired for arresting the Deputy who was DUI??

    I know what you might have been told, but if you look at past history of more than a few, THAT too doesn’t hold any water.

    HOW would you justifie such conduct if true? Hope your answer would not be, well that happens everywhere.

    Again that is becoming a VERY LAME excuse for anyone to use.

    So Phu explain to me the double standards that are very clear within the Sheriff’s Department?

    YOU as the street cop or supervisor take lawful action on ANY given matter, conform to the policies of the Department and State law.

    Next thing you know your getting hosed for doing what the LAW and system says you should.Using the term discretion to bypass taking or ignoring certain actions is not the answer either.

    What about those poor jail deputies, NEW guys and gals who witness a serious use of force and DO NOT report it?

    Inmate complains, investigation done, deputy gets fired for not reporting it. In some cases they are just told they “don’t meet probationary standards”, GOOD BYE.

    YOU turn around and “rat” someone out and you get harrassed. And of course when you confront the harrasser in a less than politically correct manner YOU are the bad guy. BULLSHIT I say.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. THIS is where our beloved UNION fails miserably in it’s mission, bringing OUT those double standards.

    Now more than a couple have said they believe Hoops will win by a landslide? Maybe!! I don’t think so.

    But when SEBA sends out their ballots to members asking them who they endorse for DA and Sheriff, about 650 members returned their ballots.

    650 out of a possible 3,100. DOES NOT look like a landslide or MOST are supporting Hoops to me. These numbers came off the SEBA website.

    Of those returned ballots, more than a few supported Averbeck for Sheriff, and Stout for DA. I don’t remember seeing 40% for Averbeck, but I could be mistaken.

    Never the less, you take what Averbeck and Stout got in the votes, it DOES not appear HOOPS has this overwhelming SUPPORT by the troops. Slice it anyway you want the facts don’t support what a few say.

    I will submit, some where lazy, did not care, or where afraid to support Averbeck or Stout and just didn’t return their ballots.

    NOW what do you see on your bosses website at the top of the page written by Abernathie?

    3000 SEBA members support Hoops for Sheriff.

    THAT is a lie and false mis-representation of the facts and I think it is nothing more than campaign fraud.

    DOES Abernathy have 3000 signed ballots supporting Hoops in his possession? I do not think so.His own ballots suggest otherwise.

    So the general public goes to Hoop’s website and sees 3000 Deputies support Hoops when that is NOT the case.

    Should have said about 400 members of the SBSD support Rod Hoops for Sheriff. THAT would be an accurate statement. NO SPIN!!!

    Such statements that are not above board simply tells us who know, that Abernathie is in bed with Hoops and Ramos.

    This is one of the reasons these blogs were created. Too many are tired of the misrepresentation within the County.

    And since Ramos,Hoops,Biane,Brown,Uffer, Dr.Dev are all under fire, it is fair to say a whole lot of bad things are happening and change is needed.

    Hoops as Sheriff has had well over a year and a half to do some very big unquestionable changes both in fighting crime and taking care of his troops.

    There is nothing there to suggest anything will be different in comparision to Tidwell and Penrod.

    And Phu let’s be real here and quit insulting those civilian readers in some of the WEAK arguments in here made on behalf of some.

    All anyone has to do is us a little common sense,let their life experience guide them, they will see over half of this stuff is going on is true and start doing something about it.

    IF you had half the stink attached to you that we are reading here and in the papers about others, YOU would be looking for a job REAL QUICK!!!

    CERTAIN members of SBSD and other County Officials DO NOT reward those who are honest in their decision making, if it is going to cause them grief and effect their agenda.

    They destroy careers, lifes, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money trying to cover up their misdeeds.

    NOW IF THERE was no cover up in the POST scandal, HOOPS can cough up the report, redact the names of those involved and SHOW everyone that Averbeck,me,iepolitics is nothing but baseless rumor starters and ALWAYS have been.

    Then the Feds or Ramos can say there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Sergeant Randy Beavers. All they can hope for is that no one else steps forward with evidence to the contrary.

    Or maybe Penrod will get on the polygraph and dispell the ugly rumor he was having an affair with Ms.Beavers.

    Until that happens your commentary and a few others will NOT overcome the BASIC common sense questions that needs to be answered by your boss, Rod Hoops.

    And you might ask Phu how do we know that, very simple, besides what you see posted here, their are many behind the scenes who confirm what we say is true. 100% accurate NO.

    Some leave their names and emails, others do not.

    Between iepolitics and inlandpolitics lots of information comes in. And believe it or not alot of it is gossip, so the administrators must decide what to put out and what to hold back.

    When I introduced myself to Schrader he told me that many have told him what is being said here is true, TRUE enough to show there is an overwhelming problem unfolding.

    I don’t know who those people are that talked to Schrader, some may be other bloggers, might be ordinary citizens and employees that are simply disgruntled. MIGHT be more than a few with impeccable character.

    DO NOT know and did not ask.

    But like REALLY said in his comments, DOES NOT mean a disgruntled person is lying. ONE only needs to be concerned if what is being said has truth to it.

    But here is one for you in closing.

    IF you as a Sergeant with SBSD or anyone either on your own iniative, or at the direction of a superior officer, HAS EVER taken action against a member of this department for misconduct of a less nature than has been discussed here, and caused their termination or prosecution.

    You or those who did are a hypocrite and a punk. Rick Roelle and Bill Zehms come to mind when I make that statement.

    YOU hopefully get my point.

    If you didn’t, good for you.

38. No, you don’t just allow them to retire, you place themm on admin leave just as the would with any other serious felony that a deputy is accused of. As far as rumors, that was why I said go talk to them. You only say it is rumor because you haven’t talked to them yourself and you want to just dismiss it as such. I have spoken to some of the folks involved and I have it very clear what happened. I totally agree with your thinking but my issue is that you come on here and defend the issues but when someone brings up the issue, you simply dismiss it as rumor because that is the easy chicken-poo way out. Well that is not the normal you. I know you and you take things head on. What is really funny is that you say we are spreading rumors yet you found out from someone who thinks they know me that says I worked at CAC. That is 100 percent hypocritical and I am totally beside myself that you are that far into listening to the politics going on and so closed minded that you don’t even see how you are the one spreading rumors. I have never said who I am to anyone on here or on other blogs. Many speculate that they know who I am and those persons who are so quick to say I am spreading rumors are the ones dealing in rumors. Charbi, just yet to keep an open mind. Go talk to the secretary at North that blew the whistle on this thing. Ask her about the case and about the harassment. Learn for yourself how this once premiere Dept has sunk to the level of Carona’s OC under Hoops.

39. AC where is the parallel example regarding Caronna-Hunt and my department? Who has that happened to here? There is no pleasing you. Hoops pulls special deputy badges, but not fast enough. Bottomline the badges are being pulled back.

40. OH Phu without you, I would not have to work so hard repeating myself all the time.

    Your beloved bosses NEVER did this to me, but I guess it is the sign of the times. SO I will adjust for YOU and YOU only.

    AS suggested by a couple, WE should get a motel room together IMAGINE that!!!! LOL!!!!ONLY according to certain opinions we argue like husband and wife.

    I am shocked by that analogy actually.

    My parallel of OCSD and SBSD are posted above.

    Money, woman and sex, booze, special favors, gun permits,badges are all well known here.

    If you have not seen that, ok, I have.

    NOW, I just talked to Schrader. He is going to respond on THIS blog to your request about his background. NO time given as he is working on his campaign until the wee hours.

    Schrader has not responded to YOUR comments or emails since you have been pretty much PUNKING him since he did not jump to your demands early on about his backgound. HIS WORDS.

    REMEMBER how you got upset because I PUNKED Grunt?The term Paulie, no courage, no balls, etc, etc you have used since you didn’t get your way.

    THE man has done nothing to you personally that caused you grief or any personal loss. Unlike your boss with me. SO don’t be stupid.

    Turn about is fair play Phu. So WE will see how Schrader responds.

    Right now he is at the Ontario Gun Show speaking to folks.

    I spend several hours on the phone today with my sources about YOU.

    Seems you are thought of by more than a few in a positive way as both a Deputy and Supervisor.

    EVERYONE said you might not be in the know compared to me because of your past assignments that kept you away from a lot of goings on as described by them.

    I would agree with that opinion based on your side stepping certain issues.

    Your thought of as a good guy across the board, but not in the position to battle in the trenches about some of the topics contained here. JUST THOSE sources opinion.

    SO until YOUR boss and Averbeck decide to respond in a similiar fashion as you expect of Schrader. USE CAUTION is my suggestion to you.

    Like I said, the issues with YOUR boss are far more compelling an issue that require more answers than Schrader’s issue.

    Don’t expect 20 questions answered when your boss and Averbeck have SAID nothing about the issues contained in this blog.

41. i missed a gun show….dang it….

42. Phulakes and Taylor, looks like got you these boys spun I see.

    Like I said, this site is like a train wreck, shouldn’t look, but I cant help to see what’s getting pulled out next.

    ACU,Sgt, Senior, I don’t think you are remotely close to being accurate in regards to the way you describe the MAJOR scandals, I.E., POST, Beavers,badges, etc, (I am sure I am missing some hot topic), are being handled. Try for just a second to see the big picture in terms of COMMAND and LEADERSHIP responsibilities:

    Hoops goes from D.C. to A.S.
    Who was the under thunder then?

    Who was responsible for the total management (micro), of ALL aspects of Operations and Support prior to Hoops being appointed?

    What was the climate and general flavor of the cool aid in the valley and desert stations? Who were the D.C.’s then?

    Who has since retired or been re assigned to other executive billets?

    Who personally oversaw EVERY decision being made, or discipline being assigned then?

    Who’s term is Hoops finishing? Is it his?

    Has he made sweeping Changes?

    What is Hoops philosophy towards discipline and command responsibility? Do you know?

    How is Moral now? How was it then?

    What does history show us about leaders who choose to
    impose immediate sweeping change?

    Have any of you ever been personally involved in a complex personnel or criminal investigation of employees for something other than a deuce or a domestic?

    Are you familiar with the prosecutorial process and review regarding mid to high level incidents of suspected misconduct?

    What do other large corporations or agencies do when an Exempt status (at will), employee is found to have been engaged in unacceptable illegal behavior?

    Does it preclude or prevent the legal process from occurring?

    In corporate fraud cases, do the victims seek restitution?

    Did it make sense for Gray to pay it back before the county lost all access to his final entitlements.

    Is he still employed?

    Has he avoided prosecution?

    Gentlemen, these things take time. It’s all changing, slowly. Whether hoops stays or he goes, it doesn’t make practical sense for him to take the helm and risk handing things over to someone else, just to have them change again. That in and of itself say’s to me he is looking out for the welfare of those he leads. He’s made subtle changes which make sense.

    In the worst of financial times we as a department seem to be maintaining, some of the empires have been slowly dismantled, putting crooks in jail is the focus. Tyrannical, or retaliatory behavior is not acceptable or tolerated by Hoops. Shit gets dealt with and people move on. Some of you obviously cant see that.

    You may not like the man. So what!

    He has enough sack to look you in the eye and tell you your wrong and your gonna get spanked! or Someone had it in for you because you shoot your mouth off like an arrogant ass, and your delivery sucks. He doesn’t smile to you face then jam it in your back. He knows the good and bad which comes with his office and has the courage to lead from the front.

    Most of the crap true or not that gets put on blast in here hasn’t had shit to do with Hoops. Prove it.

    Hey ACU, nobody said you got fired for arresting a fellow deputy. just that your ultra ego was an A$$ Hole for the way he treated everyone who didn’t sip the same purple drink you did.

43. su I doubt you missed anything worth while at Ontario or any other gun show here in Commiefornia. Arizona is the place to go for the REAL gun shows.

    Phu, Schrader called again and is in Chino Hills with some folks.

    He again stated he is going to address your issues on the blog and is even willing to meet you face to face.

    Since he is a former Marine and has pride himself, I don’t think he appreciates people using the term no courage, no fortitude etc.

    Just my thoughts.

44. Phulakes (Charbi) I always thought of you as someone who was on the ball and knew whoz who in the zoo but with all the “rainbows, puppydogs and things are wonderful” talk from you I must rethink. Certainly you don’t really think things are wonderful in Hoopsville? Are you living under a rock (next to Rod’s pool) or is your cami headband on too tight? Have some self respect and stop hiding your blonde head in the sand.

45. Phu regarding pleasing me and badges, LOL!!!!

    Why would it take Hoops or anyone else for that matter 31 years to evaluate badges for NON-Police officials?

    Those badges have been a source of problems from time to time for years. I dealt with that issue when I worked in Rancho Cucamonga countless times.Yes it is documented too!!!

    ONLY after Penrod’s testimony in the Carona trial did Hoops act. OF course you know the drill in the department for some, YOU have to wait awhile before you act so it DOES not embarass someone.

    Hoops uses the Attorney General’s opinion as a legal basis to pull them. I have only heard he has instructed the troops to pull them when someone flashes them.

    So will it take the next 20 years through attrition to get all those badges back or what?

    Has Hoops sent out letters to those who have them, telling everyone to return them like Sheriff Hutchins did in Orange County when she took office?

    Has Hoops sent a letter to other police agencies or the CHP asking them to pull and return those badges if they come across them?

    Just this past week, at a golf tournament down south a friend of a friend is on the course and one of the players who has a special deputy badge or claims too is bragging how he drives down the freeway at a 100 mph and when he get’s stopped, flashes the badge and he is free to go. PC 146d PERIOD!!

    There is a Sheriff’s Captain standing right there listening to that. POOR taste to talk about such things in front of civilians not everyone finds that stuff cool.

    NOW YOU and Averbeck got all bent with Schrader using the SBSD logo in his campaign.

    Myself I have never accepted the fact that some clown pays $10,000.00 bucks and gets a badge,ID card, sometimes a concealed weapons permit WITHOUT going through the MANY weeks of training and pain we did to get OUR badge and gun.

    This take a 40 hour of PC 832 is nothing but a joke for purposes it is truly intended for.

    YOU want a badge so you can flash it around, YOU pay your dues like the real cops do and do your 22 plus weeks at the academy, go through a complete background, medical and pysch testing like the real cops do. And then complete your probation.

    NOT pay $10k or whatever the fee is these day, and go to the Sheriff’s range for 40 hours then you get to tell everyone depending on who is listening your a COP or personal friends of Gary Penrod or Rod Hoops hoping to get a special deal on something or get out of trouble with another police agency.

    And some of us are very aware of the Sheriff’s Rangers and what they pay to be part of that organization and the PAC fund they have set up.

    Since their is a PAC fund, then it is subject to inspections like any other public records and I’d like to know just how much money is in that fund and what it is used for.

    Hmmm 40 or so Sheriff’s Rangers, $10k a year to be a Ranger, that is $400,000.00 a year.

    Depending on spending there might be well over 7 digits in that fund.

    It can’t all be going to functions at the Los Flores ranch can it??

    Phu when is the last time you heard radio dispatch do a tone out saying, “all units a special deputy or sheriff’s ranger has two robbery suspects at gunpoint and needs immediate assitance”?

    I never have and don’t know anyone who has.

    Rangers PAC fund, may be nothing wrong with any of that, but seems our citizens are a little concerned these days about such funds because of the colonies corruption case.

    Deputy Chief Paul Cook, hope you books are up to snuff.

    Does anyone know if Riverside,Orange,Los Angeles,Kern County Sheriff’s Department have anything like the Sheriff’s Rangers?

    Just saying…….

46. Phulakes, that is a first that any one from San Bernardino County would ask if they had sunk to the level of corruption in Orange County.

    The lesson of Mike Carona and company is that even in a county that prides itself of fighting corruption, a slick organization can wreck havoc. In 1999, I sat alone in George Jaramillo’s office with George and Don Haidl. I advised Don to drop his threats of a defamation lawsuit agaist Santa Ana Police Chief Paul Walters resulting from the Carona/Walters campaign.

    Building on the guest editorial I had written in the Orange County Register previously, I stated my piece and was done with it. This is because I knew, that by Orange County standards, I was not of great significance. Orange County has a magnificant society to keep institutions in check.

    While I hold Sharon Gilbert in great respect, Orange County has Shirley Grindle. While San Bernardio has ARMC and Loma Linda, Orange County has Hoag Presbyterian, Choc, and UCI. While San Bernardino has the Sun as the second most respected newspaper, Orange County has the Los Angeles Times. While San Bernardino County has the Press Enterprise, Orange County has the Orange County Register.

    When I moved to Orange County as a child in 1960, it was only a bedroom community to LA. My dad had to commute to downtown LA each day because, as a representative for a Fortune 500 corporation, he had to have an LA address to be taken seriously. The corporate world would not take a company seriously with an address of Fullerton, Anaheim, Santa Ana, or Newport Beach. And at the time, Irvine was a farm.

    Orange County had an advantage, however. It was nicer than LA. As OC grew, professionals with the reputation to be able to conduct business anywhere moved out of LA into Orange County and joined with those who had previously moved there to take advantage of cheap real estate, such as Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, and North American.

    The problem with San Bernardino County is that it is not a nice place to live compared with Orange, Los Angeles, Ventura, or San Diego Counties. It is place to live in Southern California where one can find space if he can not afford to live any place else.

    As one Fullerton attorney pointed out to me, there is a big difference between a lawyer who graduated from UCLA and a lawyer who graduated from Western State University. On this blog, I have read comparisons between the preferred lawyer who graduate from Western State versus the matchbook college graduates. Most professionals from San Bernardino County with any accumen leave to places like Orange County, or Atlanta, or Washington DC.

    My point to you, Phulakes, is that you bring the comparrison of OCSD and Carona. We were on to him right away and OCSD remained a professional oranization thruought despite the shenanigans of Carona and his top staff. The FBI finally brought the hammer down but it was the local OC establishment that forced the hand of the FBI, to the extent that that is possible.

    In contrast, you say, yeah, Hoops ignored this, and was a part of that and played the game here, but he is a good guy and experienced and can bring San Bernardino County forward in the way that it has always been. And you use Mike Carona as the measuring stick to prove that Hoops is a good guy.

    What you miss, Phulakes, is that Orange County is a society far beyond your comprehension that did expose and defeat Carona and that never would have entertained the corruption that is currently going on in San Bernardino County.

    What you do not comprehend, Phulakes, is that by Orange County standards, defined by the things that you want to overlook, you are the epitome of the corrupt man.

    Challenge me, and we can move on to the definition of coruption.

47. By the way ACU, I did write a letter circa 2002 to George Jaramillo advising him against the issuance of honorary badges. My point was that the civilian population want to hold the license of a peace officer sacrosacnt and resents people who do not hold that state license carrying counterfeit authority.

    I don not believe I evr published my change of mind. I now believe that honorary badges are fine.They simply need to have the bright orange or pink bands top and bottom similar to the bands that state law demands on toy guns.

48. John Charbonneau aka Phulakes
    jcharbonneau@sbcglobal.net,

    I am a supervising deputy sheriff on the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. I am currently a supervisor on a merger team. We are absorbing the Office of Public Safety into LASD. They have 650 officers. We have a 21 million dollar budget to bring them over. Our team ensures there is a smooth transition. We must make sure assets, man power, contracts with outside vendors and other expenditures our brought into LASD by June 2010. We will complete this by the end of May. We have over 140 parks in Los Angeles County. I have been to every park to help assure the Office of Public Safety staff of a quick transition. I have also taken all movie/special event contacts and reviewed them for proper payment when we transition. Since I am a supervising deputy which is a bonus one, I will move into another specialized job after the transition is complete.

    You are correct about one thing. Our unit falls under the office of the Under Sheriff. This is because we must have access to the Sheriff because these contracts are so political in the beginning, he needs to know if here are any problems.

    In the past five years, I worked as a supervisor for an Audit Team. My team would go into units at LASD unannounced and inspect them. I would bring DATA teams, Risk Analysis Teams and Standards Teams with us. We would inspect everything from overtime spending to deputy deployment. These inspection were to ensure the units would be effective and efficient. We would report our findings and recommendations to the Under Sheriff. I was also the Department liaison for the ACLU. I would meet with the ACLU along with some command staff once a month to listen to their complaints and concerns. This was to help prepare for possible litigation with them.

    During my time as the Supervisor for the Audit Team, we were tasked by the Sheriff with the job of figuring how to cut cost in areas in anticipation of a budget cut. We were able to find areas to cut over 40 million dollars in savings. This included closing East Facility and floors at MCJ. The Sheriff used our recommendations this year to cut his budget.

    I was also a supervisor in a Risk Analysis Team. This teams main responsibility was to investigate all in-custody deaths at LASD. A member of my tem would go to the scene, observe the autopsy and prepare a death review for a detailed review. We would meet with all stake holders in the death to prepare for a law suit. We also looked into other matters that we could be viewed as a risk issue and prepare for a lawsuit.

    John when you call me names and try to belittle me on this site, it makes you look small. I am a Marine you must do a lot more than that. Do not go down that road. I have talked with your boss several times at a few events in the past few weeks. He only treats me with respect and adoration. You might want to take the high road like we do.

    If you want to call me, unblock your phone and call me. I will also meet you and we can talk further.
    Sheriff Paul Schrader
    909-732-6964

49. It is hard to believe a Dupyty plus one would have so much responsibility.

50. Thank you Grunt for your commentary.

    I can tell your detailed version of me at best might be a personal opinion supplemented with what you have heard.

    Like I said to Phu who took the offer to meet and talk, I offer you the same thing.

    Taylor declined to call and defend his position.

    Grunt to me you just shout out and opinion good or bad and you don’t support it with any specific circumstances.

    Grunt why don’t you be specific on the last 3 lines of your comments directed at me.

    Please lay it out for our readers and me. It would be much appreciated.

    How were people treated because they didn’t drink the purple drink I offered?

    Your drive by shooting technique isn’t very effective.

    Just saying.

51. Grunt what are you saying? Are you saying that Beemer and Penrod had things all messed up? And poor Hoops is taking over for them and taking things one at a time to change?

    You ask what was the climate and general flavor of the cool aid in the desert and valley stations and who were the chiefs at the time? Okay the chiefs are and were the same ones that are still on the Executive Staff today. Whats your point?

    As it has been said many times before Hoops is filling Penrods term BY DESIGN. For the past 5 Sheriff’s it has been like that. I’m Sheriff I’ll retire prior to the end of my term and give the position to you so that you can run as the incumbant and get all the free press and thunder and you get elected.

    I know enough of what his philosophy is towards discipline and command responsibility and it sucks. How about a 25 plus year employee who has an internal investigation done on him for a personnel issue no criminal issue, has never been disciplined in his entire career and they want 15 days off for something that they did not even do. Oh I’d say that when it comes to discipline he is pretty fair. Yet HE can promote a captain to chief knowing what his past career is like.

    Have you ever heard of “RESTITUTION ORDERED BY THE COURT”? Do not attempt to justify allowing Gray to retire prior to the investigation being completed and having him and whoever come upon a figure that sounded good for a pay back to the county.

    You bring up the Beavers case. You don’t think that it was covered up. If they had enough information and probable cause to take his home computer what do you think they were looking for? Again was he doing reports at home against the Garcia ruling and they wanted to discipline him for working off of the clock.

    It seems like you are blaming the past adminstration for these issues but was Hoops part of that? He was a Deputy Chief and an Assistant Sheriff prior to his current position.

    As for the question ” What do other large corporations or agencies do when an Exempt status (at will), employee is found to have been engaged in unacceptable illegal behavior?

    Does it preclude or prevent the legal process from occurring”?

    Usually once you have entered into an agreement between parties that agreement is binding. Now for it to go further it will cost the county more to fight it than it is worth. You know those funny lawyers.

    What makes you think that things will change after the election. Change in small steps is good but what changes do we have.

    I hope you are not saying that he has been falling on the sword for all of these years watching these things happen just so he could become Sheriff and change all of these issues.

    Now for that sack issue. He was part of the staff when these things happened and anyone with that sack would have stepped up to the plate and voiced his opinion. He has had more than enough time to correct the Beavers issue and POST issue but neither have been done. He has been in office over a year POST issue broke in September, his watch. It is now May and we still have not seen anything done. Remember when you have the intention of doing a criminal case you have internal affairs do the administrative part and another unit do the criminal part. This was not done from the start. Go figure.

52. Grunt I will acknowledge that Undersheriff Beemer was the one calling the shots until Hoops moved into his present position. At least it appeared that way.

    That is a subject all by itself. Personal knowledge and experience there too!!

    Just prior to Beemer leaving there was a situation going on in a personnel matter that suggests the Board of Chiefs could not make any decisions on their own.

    Do the Board of Chiefs/Assistant Sheriff’s now act on their own without the Undersheriff looking over their shoulder, I do not know at this moment.

    If you know tell us.

53. Senor I submit, NOTHING if anything will be done until after election time about the POST scandal or any other scandal.

    For those who disagree, just look at all the scandals the DA is prosecuting right now.

    NOT one public prosecution PRIOR to election.NOT ONE.

    The great Mike Ramos and his army cannot even get old Rex Guiterrez in front of a jury and hammer him into the ground as a thief.

    How about former Grand Terrace City Councilman Miller?

    Attorney’s for both defendants have announced ready to proceed to jury trial.

    Why would any DA not go forward with any portion of the scandals of the century and SHOW the people what he so dearly claims.

    I submit if any fraud is brought out on the part of the DA or a not guilty verdict is brought forth it will bring down the chance of Ramos getting elected.

    SO Mr.Ramos and Rod Hoops together have decided to wait on all these issues until AFTER election.

    DOES NOT sound like progressive,experienced,educated leaders are confident enough to achieve their objectives before June 8th.

    SO much for awesome. THOSE are the facts and they are undisputed at this time.

54. Wow Paul finally a response! Was that so hard to do? Why did it take so long? Why not just post that in the first place? Did your people finally read mu posts and feel it was wise for you to reply?

    Since you were a Marine I would of hoped you had more spine. I gave you my info so you could contact me, all you could do was pass it to Kenny and have him put my name to an anonymous avatar. Were you hoping I would be shamed into capitulating? Like I keep saying I have nothing to hide so I put my last name to my post. Why is it you didn’t man up and send an email?

    Thank you for finally posting/detailing your history, and thank you for removing my department’s sybol from your campaign material. But sir based on your inaction, for so long, you are qualified to be y sheriff. Just my two cents. I will gladly correspond with you by email. My time here is done. I am going to come back when my ass looks like ACU’s.

55. Laughing I never said everything is 100% wonderful. When I go to work on focus on the micro/immediate level of where I am at. I don’t give up and not givefullest just because there is a good ol’ boy network, or this person got more/or less discipline. And I don’t go back and re-interview people that have been involved in a “scandal.” I go to work and do my best to make sure the taxpayer is getting what he/she has paid for. Even if my department was the worst place to work, I would still put a smile on my face, bring my work gloves and go to work.
    If this place is so terrible why do those that hate it stay? LAughing I am done with this site. If you want to correspond,send me an email. If you want to maintain your anonimity just create a hotmail or other type of email account, it don’t matter to me.

56. Sgt. I made an educated guess you worked at CAC based on the intimate info/knowledge you posted. If you did not work there, I apologize.
    Educate me regarding taking a pension if you are fired. I looked at my SBCERA handbook and all there covered was terination. They used termination in a broad manner, and covered issues prior to retirement age. So how does it work if an employee is 50 or better and qulaifies to retire, but is facing pending discipline? You know full well it takes tie to be fired, so what prevents the employee fro doing a pre-emptive retirement to avoid the process?
    And Sgt. I do not think it is a good idea to go back an interview employees that are involved in a “scandal”. That is not our position. A wiser choice would be to take it outside the dept. and advise POST, Valley College, Grand Jury, or Attorney General if you felt something had to be done. Instead of just getting involved with the gossip. I am done at the blog, if you want to correspond send me an email. And like I said for Laughing, if you want to maintain your anonimity create an anonymous account with hotmail. jcharbonneau@sbcglobal.net Hasta.

57. Goodbye Kenny! I am coming back when my ass looks as tired as yours. Send me an email, jcharbonneau@sbcglobal.net, I owe you a steak dinner with an iced tea.

58. Grunt, I would like to address two of your comments. The first is that the POST scandal is not that big. Let’s consider that we arrest people every day for stealing. Many times they only steal something like a six pack yet they are booked for a felony on a beer run. We know that the amount stolen is a minimum of $16k. In reality it numbers into several tens of thousands of dollars and Moe likely into hundreds of thousands of dollars. So we know right now that our employees stole more money than probably all of the felonies that some stations have stolen in a year. And that is not a major scandal? Tell that to the next crook you arrest for stealing a $200 dollar car.

    The next is the morale. You infer that morale is better now than it was. Kind of funny because everyone I talk to at most of the valley stations and some of the desert stations say that between the politics going on coming down from the chiefs and the budget issues and/or the new contract negotiations, no one is very happy lately. No one I have spoken to thinks we are doing right about the POST issue. When you put out a vote to SEBA as to who you would endorse and nearly 40 percent of the vote favors a jail deputy, people obviously have a problem with the way Hoops is running things. I think you need to come out of your dream world and realize that our premiere Dept is not so premiere under Hoops.

59. Deputy’s Plus 1= Corporal, Detective, FTO, Supervisor.

    2 Stripes on the sleeve.

    Pay can be up to, $8,900.00 a month with various differentials LASD has for it’s members.

    LASD Sheriff Sergeant-$8,700.00 a month, give or take a little.

    THAT does NOT include over time.

    Deputy Plus 1′s

    Homicide Investigators

    Major Accident Team Investigators

    Administrative Staff/Investigators

    Flexible hours, county car, phone.

    $8,900.00 a month X 12 months= $106,800.00 a year depending on how you calculate.

    Some Deputy Plus 1′s around $8,600 a month in some job assignments.

    Overtime available, Deputy Plus 1 can reach $150,000.00 a year with little effort.

    Don’t know about all of you, but this might make some happy enough to stay at whatever assignment you wish to enjoy.

    Guess if your into the status thing, you should try and promote.

    Just my thoughts.

60. My bad, I had hoped the previous posts were my last, but my fat fingers made way too many typos. And it is not sublimenal when I say, “sir you are not qualified to be my sheriff.”

61. The following is from Sunday’s addition of the Press Enterprise with reference to the POST issue.

    “A county audit determined the falsely claimed training resulted in added pay of $16,000, Hoops said. The captain returned the money upon his exit, but prosecutors continue to review the case against him for possible grand theft charges.

    The administrative investigation led to three other employees being disciplined, the sheriff said. He denied reports that the captain was allowed to pay back less than he owed or that the fraud ran far deeper into the department.

    Averbeck and Schrader said Hoops should have stepped out in front of the issue early on, making a public statement or even arresting the captain. The sheriff countered that the required research and records-checking — still ongoing — precluded a hasty reaction”.

    Now Gray did not take anymore than $16,000.00 and was allowed to pay that back. The fraud does not run deeper into the department and Gray did not pay back less than he took.

    So can you please explain to me what this means –
    “The sheriff countered that the required research and records-checking — STILL ONGOING — precluded a hasty reaction”.

    If we know that no more money was involved and no other employees are involved why is a STILL ONGOING research and records-checking taking place.

    Please someone explain this one to me as I am confused.

62. No explanation need Senor, it’s call “bullshit”, drop down next heading.

    Hasty reaction, Rod Hoops and his crew are the “KING” of hasty reactions.

    BUT it is possible there is a “slow reaction” for those above the rank of Lieutenant??

63. Steve Brow I am a corrupt man? Shoot me an email where we can discuss how you came to this conclusion. You do not even know me. I’m sorry I guess all SB resdients are hicks and grass seeds and we never have the ability to rise to such levels as the great citizens of OC. Give me a break. Your elitist attitude doesn’t work here. Caronna was doing criminal stuff and got caught.

64. Look fellas,

    Again you helped me prove my point. I asked reasonable questions. Guess what I got. I will concede that everything is not peachy in “Hoopsville” but it’s a damn sight better than is has been in a very long time. Your wrath is better aimed at those who are long gone. You should be direct and accurate, your not.

    As for “DUDE” being a thief, I agree, he should see his day in front of the man wearing a black dress, my guess is he will. My commentary here was to try to stimulate you into looking past the emotional side of your writing and be realistic. You are not.

    How many suspected wrong doers get speech B? was the point of asking how large corporations or agencies handle misconduct. And it does not prevent prosecution.

    I am not living in a dream world. I have had those very close to me victimized by unreasonable people, and bullied by an unreasonable system, to the likes of which NONE of you have seen. Those unreasonable people responsible are are long gone.

    My questions still stand, no inference made. if you cant answer them on your own I think you should ask someone who you trust that has conducted complex criminal conspiracies or conducted forensic financial examinations. I think you will get your answers.

    Whether intentional or unintentional the dissension and disinformation portrayed in here makes us all look bad. Past, Present or Future. I still believe in the Tan and Green. My attempt to stay neutral has been unrealistic. I will no longer bother you with my rhetoric. ACU I expect more from a Marine. Start with the 13 and 11, remember those? Of course I don’t expect an answer or rate one. Just know in the long run this crap hurts the GRUNTS that are the backbone of the county, and it’s usually the POGUES that do the most damage. S/F

65. Phulakes and Grunt you are using too much logic and are arguing with people who are emotion based. I am glad Schrader finely responded to you about his experience or lack there of. It appears he has never worked patrol, make an arrest or even worked in the jail. Then he tries to make you feel bad because you had harsh words for him. That was mild. If he can’t handle that he is not tough enough to be my sheriff.

    I think the worst part is then he tries to play the “Marine” card. I honor his service but just because you were a Marine it does not make you honest, tough, smart or beyond reproach. Remember Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine.

    Hoops is far more qualified. By the way it looks Schrader wouldn’t even know how to use handcuffs if he even owns a set.

66. Is it true that 3,000 deputies support the re-election of Sheriff Rod Hoops as it says on the SEBA website?

    Someone said that it was misleading. Help me out on this one also please.

67. No Senor it is not true that 3000 members are, supporting Hoops.

    Only 650 or so ballots were returned out of a possible 3,100 members to SEBA, supporting the Sheriff and DA.

    Some of those voted to support Averbeck, some voted for Hoops. Some voted for Ramos and some for Stout.

    A dismal return across the board.

68. SEBA had the percentages on their website for some time but they took them down. Mark had over 38 percent of the votes that were returned. Schrader was not running at the time so he wasn’t put on the ballot.

69. Sorry Taylor, I couldn’t resist.

    Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. In fact, while stationed with the Marines in Japan, he was given intensive training in the Russian language. He then left the Marines early under unusual circumstances (some say “sheep-dipped”).

    After defecting to Russia, and after being allowed to come back home, and after being arrested for the shooting of President Kennedy, he shouted out to the press that he was just a patsy.

    Then he was shot point blank in the basement of the Dallas police station, surrounded by cops, on camera, by a local club owner with known underworld ties who claimed that he was doing it for Jackie’s sake.

    Although this is a tangent to the current thread, call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Some of my best friends are conspiracy theorists. In fact, my best friend’s father was investigated by the House Select Committee on Assassinations for possible involvement in the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King.

70. Phulakes, my comment about you being the epitome of corruption was not a felony indictment on you but a commentary on the nature of corruption. Therefore, I will expand my thoughts here and use your e-mail address later to direct you back to these further comments.

    In chemistry, the word corruption refers to the process and end product of an oxidation-reduction reaction. For instance, iron, when bathed in oxygen and in the presence of some atomospheric water, will corrupt into rust. This is not some unusual occurance, it is an inevitable process. It will happen anytime iron is found near the surface of the earth. Geologists looking for iron deposits don’t go lookijng for rocks that look like Revereware. the go looking for rocks and soil that have that familiar red rust color familiar to us all.

    The rusty iron ore then has to be processed and refined to bring out the pure iron. It is then refined again and augmented with other elements to make steel and other useful alloys.

    But the process of corruption never stops, particularly around salt water. Thus the Golden Gate Bridge and every aircraft carrier, such as the one my father served on, has painting crews that work full time doing nothing except preventing and correcting corruption. They start at one of the bridge and work to the other, then go back and do it again. They work from stem to stern, and then back again.

    When the admiral visits the ship, there had better not be a single sign of corruption.

    Human corruption is also inevitable. It is the natural state of things. It is not something that happens only in police departments, or amoung politicians, but in every institution where people interact. People have the tendancy to work in their own self interest. Where people interact with others, they tend to work for mutual benefit, often to the detriment of people who are not in the immediate group.

    To work for the mutual benefit of society as a whole takes arduous refinement and refinement again to realize that not everybody has the same view of what is good for society as a whole. And, it take endless maintenance.

    So I am not saying that you are the epitome of corruption in the sense that I am accusing you of a felony. I am saying that you are the epitome of corruption in that you are satisfied with the inevitable flaws and have given up expecting that the ship wilbe ready for the admiral’s visit.

    My wife says that staying up too late to write on this website is corrupting our marriage. I will pause here. Tommorrow I will hopefully have time to explain how, as the geologist searches for the signs of corruption in the soil, I search for signs of corruption in a society.

    I will summarize in advance, it is the interaction between the dusgruntled and the apologist.

71. Taylor,

    Unblock your phone number and call me.
    I have 12 years working patrol.
    I will even meet with you if you have questions.

    Paul Schrader
    909-732-6964

72. Get on the Ball and vote for Paul.

73. Can you say Sheriff Schrader 10 times?

74. Paul Schrader no matter what your qualification are, as you know there are going to be those who won’t support you for many reasons, no matter what you say.

    I think and hope those readers who came here and read all of this, can or do see a picture of what is happening.

    We had current SBSD and past SBSD members speaking their minds in a variety of ways opposing the current administration, and others defending it.

    Let the readers decide who to vote for based on what everyone said.

    One thing for sure, you would not see these types of exchanges in the political forums most attend at public locations.

    I do appreciate those defending SBSD that came in here and said what they said. I think it told a story.

    I appreciete Phulakes coming in here and at least offering to meet me after our exchanges back and forth.

    I will say Phulakes is the ONLY member of SBSD in my 20 years who spoke his mind in the manner he did and was at least willing to take off the gloves and defend his beliefs and meet with someone.

    Unlike our beloved bosses who put on that happy face and smile at you then have their underlings do the real dirty work.

    Kudos to Phulakes whether I agree with him or not is besides the point.

    Hoops,Abernathie,Eagleson, and certain Executive Staff members should at least grow a set and do that from time to time.

    But real manhood seems to be in short supply these days.

75. Phulakes, scroll up.

76. Deputy Schrader I have tried to call you often but your phone is always busy. If you wish to gain creditability a detailed list of your law enforcement assignments is in order. On your web page you tell us more about your time in the Marines than your law enforcement accomplishments.

    You come from a department that was once top notch and respected. Now it has become a joke to most of us in law enforcement. Your department has politicized law enforcement and we are all the worse for it. Now you want to bring your liberal departments ideas here to ruin our department.

    Helping the homeless is a noble idea. But it is moronic to have deputies do it. We are already overworked and our responsibility is make our county safe as possible. There are hundreds of organizations to help the homeless and only one Sheriff’s Department.

    You do not understand our county. You do not understand our departments history, culture, organization or future.

    You have endorsements from a bunch of LA County people and only LA County people. This is not LA County and we do not want to be anything like your department.

    You have no loyalty to us.

77. Semper Fi Paul,

    regarding your service as a Marine. I am very curious about your service. your posting indicates assignment to the 1st MAR DIV – Infantry (0311), which unit?, then two years later became an MP (5800)? Please explain, or was this a FAP or TAD assignment? Did you extend or reenlist for this assignment. You then served as an under cover for CID or was it NIS? were these assignments the totality of your Federal Law Enforcement Service? What years did you serve? Which camp’s were you assigned? Were you assigned to MCB or DIV? Where did you complete MP School? What was your Class # for ITS? I ask because I believe we are close to the same age, I believe we may have crossed paths if you were at Pendleton. I spent nearly two enlistments there. Who was the Provost Marshal and OPS Chief? or your Bn Commander and 1st Sgt. or Sgt Maj? Thank You

78. Taylor, I am not sure who you are calling. When I am on the phone, it goes to voice mail. Unblock your number and call me at 909-732-6964. I get about 30 calls a day and call everyone back. I am all over the county tomorrow at speaking engagements. I will meet with you. You can meet with a real Sheriff and Marine. I will answer all your questions again!

    Also, the people listed who endorsed me are actual voters in our county. I have a list of over 2000 people from gun shop owners to regular guys. I thought a few from LA county would help those like you. Give them a call at LASD. They will confirm, I am a proven leader. I want your vote too.

    I am also sorry that helping the homeless to you is moronic. When I am sheriff, it will be part of your more noble job.

    Taylor I have loyalty to the citizens of this county.

    Please call me or meet with me.

    Paul Schrader the only 2nd and 10th amendment candidate for sheriff.

    Can you guys say Sheriff Schrader 10 times?

79. Paul if Taylor or Grunt should decide to meet with you let me know, what ever time or place, I want to be there. Thanks….

80. Ken, if they do I will call you. I have been up since 5AM this morning have group meetings and speaking engagements all day into the night. I will take time to meet them.

    Grunt MARINE,
    I was a contract MP, but I was placed in the infantry for two years 81-83 (0311). “A” Company, 1/1
    1st MarDiv at Horno. It was called the FMF then. I advised my CO and 1st Sgt for those 2 years that I was a contract MP. After 2 years I was transferred to the MP’s at wayside. I was there 3 weeks and was transferred to NIS. I could have left the Marine’s with an honorable discharge because they broke my contract. When I told them I wanted to stay, they rewarded me by sending me to NIS. They sent me to the Orange Couty Sheriff’s Academy and to some basic narco schools in San Diego. I worked undercover for those 2 years. I still went through the academy at LASD class #228, 1985.
    When I worked at NIS, I was assigned to the base, Oceanside, Carlsbad, and San Clemente. I would work with the locals and they would work on base with me.
    Joe Lodico was my A/SAC.

81. Paul,

    THANK YOU! You were lucky to have been re assigned as you wished. Some were not so fortunate. You were about 2 years ahead of me avoiding the Horno Hog’s. I worked with similarly assigned Marines when I was a young Deputy. I seem to recall some not so flattering and frankly, quite disturbing social problems as a young Marine at Pendleton, Thanks for your service.

    Thank you for answering my questions. I ask these questions because I seek knowledge. The questions I ask are based upon reason, not emotion. Emotions seem to fly high and to the right in this blog.

    Could you elaborate in detail your Leadership
    Philosophy?

    Do you have a separate Command Philosophy?

    What are your expectations of Commanders and Leaders?

    Do you have any examples to support your philosophy?

    I will say it again. I don’t believe cops should get into or participate in politics, it never has a happy ending. We don’t need another politician or hand wringing manager.

    The guys and gals of the Tan and Green machine need and seek out LEADERSHIP, plain and simple.

    Make no mistake, I am far from the company man. I tell it like I see it. However, I do not share the same views as some of the writer’s who’ve elected to align themselves with you at the expense of others, for nothing more than retribution, amusement, or throwing a public temper tantrum. I strongly believe in the 11 and 13. Beginning with self, subordinates and seniors.

    S/F “GRUNT”

82. P.S. I am not calling you, you have more demanding priorities and so do I. If by chance we meet I will without hesitation Identify myself to you. You have so far earned that respect!

83. Grunt, I now see you have some very good questions and really want to find out who the real leader is in this race. I will make you a priority, please call.
    I would like for you to unblock your phone and call me and we will set up an appointment to meet.
    When you talk about philosophy and leadership, you are asking the right questions.
    Bring Taylor and Phulakes, so I can answer any question they have. I am a leader and will meet with all three of you.
    Today (this morning) I am meeting with about 150 people in Rancho at the civic center. I then go to Barstow to meet with another group. Then to a meet and greet in Apple Valley, then back to Rancho for a GPS demo and news conference.
    Let me know and we can meet. 9097326964 and thanks for your service.

    Semper Fi
    Paul Schrader

84. Grunt,
    I will also be at my booth at the county fair in v-ville today for a short time. I will be at the booth off and on all week. I have a few retired marines, retired RSD detectives, and some other good folks manning the booth when I am not there. Stop by.

    Paul
    909-732-6964

85. Grunt let me clarifie one point. I aligned myself with Schrader for a number of reasons, but one of the bigger ones was his military service.

    I hope we can agree the military for those who were paying attention when they served, do instill some very good leadership skills in the troops.

    I have always liked the phrase, “leave no wounded behind”.

    Even though I was an Army dog, I have great respect for the Marine Corps philosophy and their do or die attitude.

    Other than Beemer and Cook, I don’t know who in the power chain served in the military.

    One of those hard corp Marine’s I served with in SBSD was Sergeant Sam Pollock.

    Not afraid to make a decision in a split second, and stood behind the troops just like he did when he was a Gunny in the USMC.

    And I saw first hand how some above him played with him for being for the troops first, versus management.

    Need I go any farther?

86. Mr. Schrader….since “helping the homeless” keeps coming up here would you please explain your intent re: that problem?

87. San Bernardino County Homeless Reputation

    With the growing financial problems facing our county and state, we need a Fresh Start and a fresh approach to our homeless population. I have many years of experience with this issue both as a law enforcement officer and a private citizen. I will work closely with government officials and the private sector to bring solutions to the problems of homelessness in our county by:

    1. Forming a committee to research solutions and provide viable options that benefit everyone in the community.
    2. I will meet with government officials, Foundations, and community groups to develop programs that benefit the community and our homeless citizens. Our homeless citizens deserve our compassion. In the current financial environment, good, hardworking people have lost their homes. Law enforcement must have a positive and proactive plan that benefits every citizen.
    3. I will provide training to all Deputies on how to connect our homeless citizens with the services and resources they need. I feel it is a crime to allow people to live on the streets without offering them help, and education on how access to community services.

    Paul Schrader

88. mr. schrader…your deputies don’t need training to hand out sheets of paper with lists of available resources…that’s silly….i’m troubled that public safety isn’t #1 on the above…many of these people are dangerous early releasers…i communicated w/ mark averbeck about the 2nd amendment and arizona’s ab 1070…i liked his responses…any of you can do the same…

89. Su, I never sid deputies would hand out papers. This is a law enforcement tool to help the homeless. Myself and Mark are at different sides regarding 2nd amendment and he never addresses either. I am the only pro second amendment candidate.

90. Steve Brow thank you for the response via e-mail. Laughing the offer still stands for to correspond, and you can keep you anonimity if you wish.

91. Mr. Schrader, I have read your comments on here and went to your website. I like what you say about giving out CCWs to citizens who meet the basic qualifications.

    I read on this site that Averback said you are going to hand CCWS out like candy.

    I guess he has not read the second amendment. Most people want their candy back.

    Mr. Schrader, you have my vote along with my wife and her three brothers and their family. We also emailed you from your web for some signs.

    I think Averback needs to stay in school. He sounds weak and has nothing to offer.
    We will tell friends to vote for you. I am a coach on a volleyball team. I will inform the parents about you.